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rant- Why are people so uptight in the CEO?

Discussion in 'Bossbot HQ' started by Fluffabunny, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Fluffabunny
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    All right so... I realize bossbot HQ works a bit differently than all the other HQs because it is the only one with v2.0 cogs. This seems to have had the effect that strategy, rather than being based largely on the cogs present, is based more on some "formula" that the toons follow almost regardless of the cogs. However: I think people need to be a little more relaxed about this and not yell at people for violating some UNSPOKEN rule. (I've been playing Toontown for 10 years, but I never got far in bossbot; I'm a pencil pusher currently). I was just in a CEO and someone was very rude and yelled at me (or was it another toon, for using a fire? I don't even know) despite the fact that I was asking what the rule was--no one bothered to answer, by the way. And here's the worst part: they get mad at you for what you did in GENERAL and don't even tell you why. They just say something like "um" or "..." or "sigh" or criticize the gag you did choose ("NO CAKE!") without telling you what you should have done instead. After one of these vague criticisms that was made because I was out of trunks, fog, and I used an aoogah while someone was doing Opera, I asked what was the problem this time, what was the correct thing to do? Then she called me rude and said I should learn how to do the ceo. ????! Excuse me, that is exactly what I'm trying to do, but no one wants to be helpful and instead wants to get mad for unstated reasons. I guess I am expected to thoroughly research the internet before daring to step foot in this strict, joyless, professionals-only zone. Well here I am, ceo- pros: Besides the one-fog left to right rule, is there some rule that involves cakes in the first round? I asked but no one would tell me. Perhaps here is the "appropriate" place to learn how to CEO, rather than, you know, CEOs themselves.
     
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    Additionally, did I do something wrong if in the second round, there were level 11s, someone fired one, someone did an opera, a trunk, and I did an aoogah?
     
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    I've honestly had experiences like that quite often in not just the CEO but also the other bosses. To the point even that I avoided bosses for the longest time out of fear :( . On one hand, yes, sometimes I do make a bad call, and I'll own up to that. On the other hand, I don't always know WHY it was a bad call.

    If someone makes a mistake, it certainly isn't your duty to teach them, but you don't need to vaguely complain if you're unwilling to constructively comment, I feel.

    That being said, have you tried the Cold Callers Guild for CEO runs? (Which, given your laff and suits, I assume you already know about them!) It makes building your suit a lot slower, I realize, but I've found that people are generally more amiable in them.

    I can't say I know of any specific rule aside from the "1 Fog Rule".

    Anyways, I understand your frustrations. It seems that people forget to consider that some people play for fun, and people make mistakes!
     
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    I see this type of attitude with the VP of all places! It's a place for lower laff toons to begin their journey but some people act like you need to be 100 laff with maxed gags before even stepping foot in the lobby. I play this game to chill and have fun, it's kind of ridiculous how seriously people take it. I think one of the biggest problems is that the game is full of young teenagers in their edgy phases who just don't want to lift a finger to help and enjoy criticizing others without explanation. How is anyone supposed to get better when they're met with toxic attitudes and vague "educate yourself"s?
     
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  5. Teeth

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    because ceos and back 9s take too long even when done perfectly, and with the nature of v2 it's very easy for one poor player to significantly increase this time
     
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    I can understand that, but often what these players miss could be easily explained rather than brushed off and scoffed at. I think it's unrealistic to always expect people to be nigh perfect, even with high-level Cheeses. If you go into these with great expectations, I doubt you'll always have a good run.
     
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  7. Adorkable Mousie
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    The only thing really with cakes in the first round is if there’s a set with 3 9s and a 12 for example, it’s expected that someone throws either a cake or a piano on the 12, while the rest of the group uses a fog and 2 trunks to take care of the 9s. If there’s more than one 10 in that first set though it’s definitely better to just use a fog and 3 trunks to take care of at least 3 of the cogs.

    You’re definitely not required to read strategy guides on bosses, but in the same token no one is required to teach you about the boss either. There’s really no point in running into bosses blind if you’re just going to ask the most basic of questions that would have been answered if you take a few minutes to look into a guide. The most basic combos to kill regular cogs should definitely be known for the ceo, which some still struggle with and makes runs much longer. A quick “one fog rule left to right” usually covers most of the beginning of the battle, and basic cog math and cog health knowledge definitely goes a long way in this boss battle even with 2.0s. It’s not expected you’ll master everything in one go, but you’ll eventually learn what gags will one shot a 2.0, and learn about carryover damage and how you can save gags using carryover.
     
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    Don't take it personally, most people in CEO are now experienced people who get SO upset when someone messes up. But eh, I think I was lucky with my first group when I messed up.

    IDK if this was answered earlier but, typically its one fog, three trunks. Starting from the left I believe. This is done to minimize gag loss. Since I'm assuming that you aren't very familiarized with CEO, just stick to this plan route, even when other people modify it with using cake or a 7 (which is done when it's obvious the cogs are going to do major damage). If the rest of your team is more experienced and they all use stuff like throw, lure, and tu — take it as a cue to temporarily change your strategy for the round.

    Lure and TU go hand in hand here too. Either wipe out the entire row of cogs, or lure them.

    I personally hate people who get all rude and prickly when someone makes a mistake, but I also strongly dislike people who make mistakes and have an attitude about it (I am not referring to you). I guess I'm like the middle line?

    I think the best way to deal with this should probably be to just brush it off in a somewhat indifferent way, maybe the other people will stand up for you. I know I would.
     
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  9. dayaous

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    This is a kids game and thus it should be expected that many will go to any boss blindly. So say there really is not point in running into bosses blind and asking questions, then you are saying that all players have to be adults and thus if your a kid you should not play at all. The issue with this game is not the game but adults that think everyone should follow unwritten rules or should search the internet for answers before playing. This is annoying to those that just want to play and have fun. The adults take all the fun out of it by getting mad at anyone that does not follow their rules or "the unwritten rule" they deem. It is sad.
     
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    The amount of children/brand new players is extremely low, and even then it's not uncommon for younger kids to look up how to do x in whatever game they're playing. If they ask for instructions things go smoothly, but 99% of the time you'll end up with someone who doesn't want to admit they don't know and will just get uptight and call whoever was trying to help them bossy
     
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    I'm a kid, I never went into any boss battles blindly and until I learned myself what all the best strategies were, I followed what everyone else told me to do. Yes, the game was initially designed for kids, but as already said, the population of kids in this game are extremely low, most of the playerbase being adults coming from TTO for nostalgia. It is in no way saying that kids cannot play. I think you're forgetting that kids can actually have common sense, know strategy, and do their research. Asking people to read up on bosses and strategies before doing them does NOT equal asking everyone who plays to be an adult. Besides, it isn't really needed if you listen to others more experienced, just recommended. People who want to play and have fun shouldn't annoy people who want to grind through the game, either, if you're trying to go down that road. I tend to not get upset at most mistakes and guide people on what to do and explain why the "unwritten rules" are beneficial. Wanting to play and have fun doesn't mean you can't follow strategies and try to help the others to get the run done quickly. Again, please don't stereotype kids and adults. Maybe the majority may be like that, but it's better to say "most", instead of implying all of them. Not a big deal, but saying that would make adults not feel rude and kids not feel stupid.
     
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    I’m sorry you experienced this behavior! What’s supposed to be fun and an escape, can quickly become daunting. On that token, I second the CCG! Regretfully, I haven’t been able to attend many runs here recently as I’ve been grinding away at a couple suits, but—their runs are typically full of very nice toons!

    With that said, I fortunately have not run into extreme behavior in the CEO. Well, not yet anywho—my journey is not over, there. I spent time grinding boss and law suits before going back to sell and cash and truly there is a MASSIVE divide between the toons grinding law/boss and those grinding sell/cash. Not to get off topic but my point is that there is this stigma that in terms of law and boss, there are rules to be followed and strategies to be adhered to. They’re proven and they work, sure. But toons are more likely to flip a lid if someone so much as puts a toe out of line.

    That’s not to say EVERY single person is like that, it’s a toss-up as many of the toons I’ve met while grinding law/boss have similar play styles as I do. Mainly head down and doing what I came to do.

    Also, I’ve come to realize that a toon who walks into a CEO with a fresh suit and 100-109 Laff is bound to bare the brunt of this behavior. I think many assume that a brand new suit means brand new period; forgetting that many people have numerous toons, even numerous accounts. (Slightly off topic, but another observation made).

    The cog rounds in CEO are purely cog math and it’s so easy to trip up. You can’t help not knowing these unspoken rules, what’s frustrating is that they didn’t try to help you or correct you (if you even did anything wrong in the first place).

    Not to make a long post longer, but I’m more of a “sit back and say nothing” type of player. If someone asks about strategy, I offer it. But there are definitely those that will let you know when you’ve done something wrong, or jam unwarranted “help” in your face. Stick with it, it gets better! And if nothing else, the ignore button is there for a reason—I’ve had to use it a few times myself recently :)
     
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    You assume that only adults use strategy or something? This is an MMORPG, it's going to have stuff like that, especially in endgame content. Compared to other MMORPG's, the most efficient way of doing things isn't nearly as nuanced, so it's somewhat expected that someone have a slight idea of certain gag combos by the time they reach the CEO or Back Nines.

    While I believe people should offer advice if they see people playing poorly, they are by no means obligated to. Are those people that are experienced in the game not allowed to enjoy the game the way they like?
     
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